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Ajamila Prabhu Challenges Ritvik Madhu Pandit's Vyasa Puja Offering

BY: AJAMILA DASA (ACBSP)
Sep 15, 2010 — UK (SUN) — For the sake of EDUCATING our ISKCON devotees about how the Ritvik fringe headed by Madhu Pandit, who openly stated in his Vyasa Puja offering below this year that all ISKCON gurus and the GBC are bogus, please circulate as widely as possible my point-by-point response to his offensive offering.
Devotees need to know HOW and WHY Madhu Pandit and the Ritvik followers are in fact displeasing to Srila Prabhupada, and that the Ritvik idea is a concoction that has no basis in ISKCON's ultimate adjudicating system of Guru, Sadhu, and Sastra.
The most serious calamities with Madhu Pandit's Ritvik concoction are as follows:
1) It's against Srila Prabhupada's implicit instructions for his disciples to NOT act as initiating gurus;
2) The Ritvik initiates never experience meeting their diksha guru face to face at least once for training and instruction as per the tradition;
3) The new Ritviks are taught to JUMP over the current link, against Srila Prabhupada's instructions;
4) The new Ritviks are trained up by Madhu Pandit to commit Vaisnava aparadha;
5) The new Ritviks soon drop out very quickly because of their blasphemy of sincere humble preachers;
6) The Ritviks can't go back to Godhead but instead go to Kumbhipaka because of their very serious Vaisnava aparadha;

The Ritvik poison, which centres around Vaisnava aparadha, will not influence any of our devotees so long as we EDUCATE them accordingly. So please spread the contents below to as many devotees as you can. Thanks. Hare Krishna!!
Yours in Srila Prabhupada's service.
ys
Ajamila dasa
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Letter PAMHO:20322185 (1178 lines) [W1]
From: Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK) Date: 14-Sep-10 09:02 -0400
To: Bhagavatamrta (das) ACBSP (Mayapur - IN)
Cc: Bhakti Caitanya Swami
Cc: Janananda Goswami
Cc: Kavicandra Swami (GBC Japan)
Cc: Trivikrama Swami
Cc: Kripamoya (das) ACBSP (UK)
Cc: Ravindra Svarupa (das) ACBSP (Philad. - USA)
Cc: "Gaura Mandala Bhumi"
Cc: Goloka Candra (das) JPS (Malaysia)
Cc: "jagatam"
Cc: "Nimai"
Cc: Simheswara (das) JPS (Kuala Lumpur - Malaysia)
Cc: ISKCON India (news & discussion)
Cc: Prabhupada Disciples
Subject: My challenge to the ritvik Madhu Pandit...the challenge continues...
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Dear Bhagavatamrita Prabhu
PAMHO AGTSP
In response to Madhu Pandit's outrageous Srila Prabhupada Vyasa Puja offering below, in which he is essentially saying that ISKCON's diksha guru system is not what Srila Prabhupada wanted, that all the ISKCON gurus are defying Srila Prabhupada's instructions, and that his concocted posthumous ritvik idea (or whatever name he wishes to give it) is the initiation system Srila Prabhupada really wanted for ISKCON, I again challenge him to a public debate.
In MP's Vyasa puja offering he wants all of ISKCON to accept him as their siksha-guru, that he is competent and totally qualified to guide the GBC and all of ISKCON's leaders and followers with a concocted posthumous ritvik initiation system. The amazing thing is that MP really believes that devotees all around the world will buy his offensive twisting and wrangling of Srila Prabhupada's instructions.
If MP is actually qualified and his philosophy is really sastrically water tight, as he thinks, then let him please come forward and present his views in a public debate held on a website with a moderator and with proper debate rules upheld.
After the debate, which could take up to three months, let's see if around 15,000 to 20,000 ISKCON Vaisnavas worldwide accept or reject Madhu Pandit's concocted posthumous initiation idea which he offensively pedals in his 2010 Vyasa Puja offering to Srila Prabhupada. All votes would have to be verifiable with name, country of residence, telephone number, and one's diksha-guru or intended guru.
Many years ago, around 1998, Madhu Pandit and Adridharan were complaining bitterly to the GBC that the GBC would not engage with them on a debate about ritvik or the ISKCON initiation system. I stepped forward and participated in a moderated rule-abiding debate with Adridharan and the UK word wrangling bank clerk MR KK Desai in the background on the then CHAKRA website. The debate went on for around 3 months. Just over 6,000 devotees worldwide followed the debate and voted. The ISKCON regular guru system of initiation I presented received 5,700 votes and Madhu Pandit's proven concocted ritvik system received just 300 votes. When the pro-ritvik votes were scrutinized it was found that 150 of their votes had been faked. First Madhu Pandit and his cronies faked the final order, then they faked the votes.
THE DEBATE CONCLUSION: Since it was proven in the debate that Madhu Pandit's version of the final order was faked, i.e. not according to guru, sadhu, and sastra, and because MP's cronies faked the votes to cover their fake philosophy, it was rightfully concluded by almost everyone in ISKCON that Madhu Pandit and his cronies are just total fakes creating an unnecessary disturbance in ISKCON. Immediately after they lost that debate MP and Adridharan debated no more but instead took ISKCON to court to try and steal ISKCON's properties in India, showing their real colours.
This year, after all that time, hoping devotees might have forgotten the terrible defeat his ritvik concoction suffered in the last debate, MP decides to pedal again - through his Vyasa-puja offering to Srila Prabhupada - his ritvik concoction. So again I challenge Madhu Pandit to a public debate.
If he declines then we can all conclude that he is incompetent of defending himself philosophically and that his ideas for ISKCON initiations have no real sastric basis and that his only motive is to steal assets and money from Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON which he puts in his personal name or in trusts that he has total control over. We therefore accordingly have the right to name and shame Madhu Pandit in ISKCON worldwide.
All MP's material acquisitions, which he has stolen from Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON, are, not surprisingly, clouding his mind. But rest assured those acquisitions will one day be seized by Krishna and given back to Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON, just as all the wealth that was stolen from the Pandavas by Duryodhana was eventually recuperated by the arrangement of Lord Sri Krishna.
In the service of Srila Prabhupada and all his genuine disciples and followers. Hare Krishna!!
ys
Ajamila Dasa acbsp
N.B. Below is the actual ugly history of how the ritvik concoction was born not from any sastra but out of desperation, lust, hate, and envy. It's a must read for those who want the real historical facts.
N.B.A. Madhu Pandit's brazen and offensive Srila Prabhupada Vyasa Puja offering is also posted below and I have countered his ludicrous ritvik arguments point by point with irrefutable evidence from guru, sadhu, and sastra.
I have also proved that MP's quoting of sastra is ridiculously out of context, offensive, irrelevant, and amounts to nothing more than a cocktail of misplaced sentiments and concoctions:
> Dear Ajamila,
>
> This is the Vyasa Puja offering of Madhu Pandit. Can you comment on it
> please?
>
> Personaly I don't think it is right. >Bhagavatamrita Dasa
>
> Vyasapuja Offering
>
> BY: MADHU PANDIT DASA
>
> Sep 05, 2010 - BANGALORE, INDIA (SUN) -
>
> Dear Srila Prabhupada,
>
> Please accept my most respectful obeisances unto your Divine Lotus feet.
>
> On this auspicious appearance day of Your Divine Grace, I stand before you
> humbly, to express my deepest appreciation and gratitude for your
> causeless mercy due to which alone we are able to see you as you
> rightfully are - the Acharya of this movement, spiritual master of each
> and every one of us and each of those who have stepped into the shelter of
> your divine instructions. Despite having been misled to believe otherwise
> for many years, you still saved our precious spiritual opportunity of this
> life time from being lost in the course of following a deviant path. We
> feel safe and secure and blessed at the shelter of your divine lotus feet.
Here Madhu Pandit is guilty of a gross deviation. Vyasa Puja is not meant for venting politics, it's meant solely for the glorification of Srila Prabhupada. MP deviates from glorifying Srila Prabhupada and instead brings in his own political agenda. This is a gross misuse of a most sacred day which is not meant for blaspheming Srila Prabhupada's leading preachers and saying they are all bogus and that his ritvik concoction is the ONLY way, the only TRUTH, and the only LIGHT for all of ISKCON.
If MP wants to make a politically motivated philosophical point then he should just write a paper on the subject. Then let others tear it apart or agree with it, keeping it as a separate issue. Srila Prabhupada's appearance day should never be used to get cheap free publicity. On that first count Madhu Pandit is totally out of order.
> Looking at the history of ISKCON it is difficult to escape the realization
> of the consequences of deviating from your divine instructions.
Atmanam manyate jagat: because MP is deviating from Srila Prabhupada's order to cooperate with the GBC he thinks all others are deviating. He's a businessman and a thief, not a brahmin who can quote accurately and truthfully from sastra without any political agenda.
> Over the
> last ten years more and more clarity has come about in many of our hearts,
> at ISKCON Bangalore, as to why and where ISKCON got derailed after the
> physical disappearance of Your Divine Grace. I can never be grateful
> enough for your causeless kindness upon me, insignificant as I am, because
> of which you have pulled me out of such a hopeless plight that ISKCON has
> led itself into after your disappearance.
According to MP, ISKCON's plight is hopeless; wrong again. This statement simply isn't factual. ISKCON is expanding slowly but surely, that is a fact.
> After Your Divine Grace's physical disappearance in November 1977, GBC
> meetings were held in Mayapur in March 1978. It is after this meeting that
> the eleven representatives of Your Divine Grace, who were named as
> Officiators for initiation on 7th July 1977 (followed by an
> institutional directive signed by Your Divine Grace on 9th July 1977),
> instituted a concocted system of worship of themselves by everyone in
> ISKCON.
The zonal acarya was a concocted system, true. But the system of a living 'CURRENT' guru giving diksha to a disciple is what Prabhupada preached and that is confirmed in the sastras and by the example of our entire disciplic succession. MP's idea of everyone taking diksha from Srila Prabhupada posthumously is a concoction of madness which has been proved wrong again and again by ISKCON's ultimate adjudicating system of guru, sadhu, and sastra.
> This included even their God brothers as well as the new followers
> who joined the movement. Thus, ISKCON saw an exodus of thousands of
> disciples from the mission in the next few years as they could not bear
> the suffocation and embarrassment brought about by this unauthorized
> worship.
The zonal acarya system was an unfortunate concoction that has been removed, but the posthumous diksha idea is many, many times worse.
> The last three disgraceful decades of ISKCON has clearly demonstrated to
> all of us that instituting the worship of personalities other than Your
> Divine Grace in ISKCON has created the greatest havoc in the institution.
Gross exaggeration. ISKCON is still increasing.
> This single serious offense has been the root cause, directly and
> indirectly, for most of the problems in ISKCON which drove more than 95%
> of the initiated disciples of Your Divine Grace out of ISKCON over the
> years. This misuse of power of the gurus in the GBC body is also the root
> cause of abuse of children, women, and money in the movement. It is
> appalling that out of 5000 odd disciples initiated by Your Divine Grace
> less than 200 are serving in the mission,
Wrong, the count is around 600 plus. This is another exaggeration.
> of which most of them have
> carved a place of a self- made guru in the organization. Even more
> appalling is that many of those who left ISKCON are stalwarts who still
> have strong faith in Your Divine Grace and Krishna and yet are being
> deprived of devotional service in your mission.
And yet another exaggeration, many devotees left ISKCON because of Maya not because they were pushed. Proof is that many 'more heavily pushed' devotees stayed in ISKCON and tolerated the past misbehavior of ISKCON leaders.
> It is sad that the GBC
> couldn't care less about this offense in ISKCON for it does not matter to
> them since they are busily lost in taking worship from their ever new
> supply of innocent followers who enter the portals of ISKCON attracted by
> reading your transcendental teachings.
Many ISKCON leaders have made concerted efforts to get ISKCON devotees back. I have also tried to assist along those lines. MP's opinion that the GBC could not care a less is not in line with the actual happenings. He makes a conclusion with no facts to back it up. It's the philosophical story of his life.
> Our prayers to Your Divine Grace is to make ISKCON GBC see this clear
> cause- effect revealed by `Kala' over thirty years and retrace its step to
> reestablish the state of affairs that existed before the 1978 GBC meeting
> vis-a-vis who is to be worshipped in ISKCON.
MP wants to re-instate the ritvik initiation system that was conducted owing to the circumstances of that time in the 'physical presence' of Srila Prabhupada. But for 'after his disappearance' Srila Prabhupada never even hinted that he wanted a posthumous ritvik diksha initiation system. Let Madhu Pandit come to the debate table where all his misconceptions will be exposed.
HOW THE RITVIK CONCOCTION WAS BORN
Let's go back to the history as to how the ritvik concoction was born out of lust and envy. The ritvik concoction was born not from sastra but in a New Orleans, USA, small devotee community from the mind of Rupavilasa who was threatened by Nityananda Das, the owner of the community, that if he did not come up with some argument as to why all the ISKCON gurus are bogus then he would sack him and send him back to England. RV and Karnamrita were the editors of the then ISKCON widely read Vedic Village Review which was sponsored by Nityananda who also ran his business out of New Orleans. Part of his business was selling drug paraphernalia. Nityananda Dasa openly declared many times that he 'hated' the GBC. He had a disagreement with a GBC member and then instead of tolerating or cooperating, as Srila Prabhupada had instructed us, he became the biggest ever GBC hater. Such is his hate that he wrote a book accusing some leading Prabhupada disciples of poisoning Srila Prabhupada to death. Such is the enormity of his extreme hate for the GBC. So under the intense pressure of losing his job, Rupavilasa came up with the ritvik concoction as an attempt to prove that all ISKCON gurus were bogus. And, finally, it so happened that while Rupavilasa was concocting the ritvik concoction he was having illicit sex with Karnamrita's wife. This is the ugly and most unfortunate history of how the ritvik concoction was born out of desperation, lust, hate, and envy.
Madhu Pandit is drinking this poisonous concoction as if it were nectar not because he really believes it has any real philosophical worth but because it serves as a leverage for him to steal properties and assets from ISKCON. MP is simply stealing from Srila Prabhupada and trying to bluff us all that he is 'saving' ISKCON. His new big project which he intends to execute with stolen ISKCON money is his biggest smoke screen ever. He thinks that all of ISKCON will buy his bogus philosophy just because he makes a spiritual disney park with money stolen from Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada states that if you become influenced by a 3rd class man you become 4th class. The ritvik concoction is low class to say the least, so what is the class of Madhu Pandit who embraces such rubbish and then props it up as if it is according to sastra? Its way down there!
> Your Divine Grace with great
> foresight has given us such clear directions for management of every
> little thing in ISKCON and we find nowhere even a single instruction from
> Your Divine Grace about how and who after your life time, need to be
> worshipped in the institution.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the book entitled 101 Ritvik deviations.
> This clearly shows that you did not intend
> anyone to take that position.
Clearly shows nothing!! Let MP come to the debate table for all the relevant details that proves him totally wrong according to guru, sadhu, and sastra. See some samples below.
> Prior to 1978, Your Divine Grace was the
> only personality who was worshipped in ISKCON. One's guru has to be
> worshipped as good as God is doubtlessly our siddhanta. To allow to be
> worshipped as good as God by other Vaishnavas is not an ordinary thing
> according to our own philosophy. It is very serious for both the
> worshipper and the worshipped. For the worshipped, the risk of imitation
> is like imitating Lord Shiva drinking the poison that came out of the
> churning of the ocean. It requires very high qualification and spiritual
> attainment, and the most important, the order of the predecessor acarya to
> do this as a service for the Lord.
Very high qualification? Another exaggeration alluding to that no one in ISKCON is qualified to be guru. And MP is qualified to be the judge? Srila Prabhupada mentions there are kanistha, madhyama, and uttama adhikari gurus. Of course MP implies ISKCON does not have even a single madhyama adhikari, but according to the sastric definition of madhyama adhikari ISKCON has many such devotees acting as gurus. The principle definition of a madhyama adhikari is that he is fixed, or nistha. We have many, many ISKCON gurus who have been fixed in their service for 20 to 30 years. That is sufficient that they are qualified to be gurus. MP is proved wrong yet again.
> Worship for a jiva from another jiva turns into poison unless it smoothly
> flows to Krishna.
MP uvaca.
> Any imitation of this function would only spiritually
> kill one who is getting the worship. And that is why Your Divine Grace
> states that unless you are ordered by your guru you cannot be a guru.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the book entitled 101 Ritvik deviations.
> No
> one can certify himself to be qualified to do this service. The following
> conversation between Your Divine Grace and an Indian Guest in Nairobi on
> October 28, 1975 testifies this point:
>
> INDIAN MAN: WHEN DID YOU BECOME THE SPIRITUAL LEADER OF KRISHNA
> CONSCIOUSNESS?
>
> PRABHUPADA: WHAT IS THAT?
>
> BRAHMANANDA: HE'S ASKING WHEN DID YOU BECOME THE SPIRITUAL LEADER OF
> KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS?
>
> PRABHUPADA: WHEN MY GURU MAHARAJA ORDERED ME. THIS IS THE GURU-PARAMPARA.
>
> INDIAN: DID IT...
>
> PRABHUPADA: TRY TO UNDERSTAND. DON'T GO VERY SPEEDILY. A GURU CAN BECOME
> GURU WHEN HE'S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. THAT'S ALL. OTHERWISE NOBODY CAN
> BECOME GURU
Srila Prabhupada gave the 'standing order' to all his disciples many times.... The order is already there, it only needs to be implemented by those who wish to please Srila Prabhupada in that way. Srila Prabhupada said:
"I am training you all to be future spiritual masters...." SP letter 1968
"So far as initiating disciples is concerned, anyone who is qualified can do this." SP letter 1969
Of course MP will declare no one in ISKCON is qualified. But this is just MP's envy since above I already proved the point that being fixed in devotion service for 20 - 30 years is at least Madhyama Adhikari.
"The test of preaching ability is whether one is making disciples or not." SP letter November, 1970.
"Siddhasvarupa does not want to take disciples, neither he should have disciple while I'm alive. That is the process." SP letter, 15 Sept, 1972
The above is 'irrefutable proof' from Srila Prabhupada that AFTER his departure his qualified disciples can initiate their own disciples.
Here is more 'irrefutable proof':
"But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy." SP letter 2nd Dec 1975
ACCEPT DISCIPLES WITHOUT ANY LIMITATION!!! says Srila Prabhupada. He further states: THAT IS THE LAW OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION!! This is clear evidence that ISKCON's regular system is according to guru (Srila Prabhupada), sadhu, and sastra.
Madhu Pandit's only rebuttal to the above 'irrefutable proof' is a twisted interpretation and word jugglery of Srila Prabhupada's later instructions in May 1977. To that conversation Srila Prabhupada concludes as follows:
"Prabhupada: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it." (SP room conversation, Vrindavana, May 1977)
DISCIPLE of MY DISCIPLE!!! The evidence is clear.
I can go on and on with more 'irrefutable proof' from Srila Prabhupada but I'll spare that for the public debate with Madhu Pandit, IF he has the gall to bring his posthumous ritvik concoction to the debate table.
If he does not wish to have a proper debate then we can only conclude that his main motivation is to steal from Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON and keep all those assets in his own personal name. He is shameless.
> When the GBC met with Your Divine Grace on May 28, 1977, Vrindavana you
> said, WHEN I ORDER, "YOU BECOME GURU".
Srila Prabhupada stated that after his departure his disciples could take disciples.... See above quotation.
> In Bombay on December 2, 1974, you spoke:
>
> "GURU MEANS WHO FOLLOWS THE PREDECESSOR, AUTHORIZED PREDECESSOR. HE IS
> GURU. NOT THAT EVERYONE IS GURU".
MP's opinion is that nobody in ISKCON is following the predecessor Srila Prabhupada, except him. His humility is non-existent.
> On February 27, 1977 you spoke:
>
> "AND NOWADAYS, SO MANY RASCALS, THEY ARE BECOMING GURU WITHOUT ANY
> AUTHORITY. THAT IS NOT GURU. YOU MUST BE AUTHORIZED. EVAM
> PARAMPARA-PRAPTAM IMAM RA... AS SOON AS THE PARAMPARA IS LOST, SA KALENA
> YOGA NASHTO PARANTAPA, IMMEDIATELY FINISHED. THE SPIRITUAL POTENCY
> FINISHED. YOU CAN DRESS LIKE A GURU, YOU CAN TALK BIG, BIG WORDS, BUT IT
> WILL NEVER BE EFFECTIVE."
In reference to the above quotation MP is trying to get the quote to fit all ISKCON gurus, insinuating all ISKCON gurus are not authorised.
But the quotation does not fit, it does not apply in light of the aforementioned evidence. If it did apply then ALL ISKCON gurus are bogus, and that is simply not the case for those who are fixed in following the process of Krishna consciousness. Again MP is wrong, terribly wrong.
For some reason Krishna is allowing MP to steal many, many assets from ISKCON in a big way, just as Duryodhana stole everything from the Pandavas. But in the end Krishna will return all MP's stolen assets back to its rightful owner, ISKCON.
> Further in SB 4.8.54 purport Your Divine Grace wrote:
>
> "ONE SHOULD TAKE INITIATION FROM A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER COMING IN
> THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION, WHO IS AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL
> MASTER. THIS IS CALLED DIKSHA-VIDHANA."
MP quotes the above hoping to prove all ISKCON gurus are UNAUTHORISED, or bogus. All he proves here is that his viewpoint is bogus.
> After decades of debate, today it is an undisputed, admitted and
> established fact by all camps within and without ISKCON that Your Divine
> Grace did not authorize anyone to be the next acarya to be worshipped in
> ISKCON.
Straw man. In ISKCON there is no 'ONE next acarya', there are many regular gurus as Srila Prabhupada instructed.
> Initiation is not the real issue.
Really? Then why all MP's hoo ha about ISKCON's initiation system?
> The real short circuit that
> happened and is happening, is in instituting worship of the initiators
> other than Your Divine Grace in the position as good as God.
MP wants to stop the disciplic succession with Srila Prabhupada. Again he's not in tune with Srila Prabhupada at all. Srila Prabhupada said his disciples can be REGULAR gurus and that he would be happy to see them carry on the disciplic succession.
It seems that when MP sees an ISKCON guru passing on worship to Srila Prabhupada it is totally unbearable for him to watch, claiming they are drinking poison. That's because MP's mind is poisoned by ritvik so he can only conclude all others are poisoned like him.
> If only those
> eleven who were authorized to perform initiation of new candidates, did
> not take up the position of being worshipped as good as God but remained a
> humble representative of Your Divine Grace and helped you in your mission
> by initiating them on your behalf none of these calamities would have
> happened.
The calamities with MP's ritvik idea are as follows: 1) It's against Srila Prabhupada's implicit instructions for his disciples to act as initiating gurus; 2) The ritvik initiates never experience meeting their diksha guru face to face for training and instruction as per the tradition; 3) The new ritviks are taught to JUMP over the current link against Srila Prabhupada's instructions; 4) The new ritviks are trained up by MP to commit Vaisnava aparadha; 5) The new ritviks soon drop out very quickly because of their blasphemy of humble preachers; 6) The ritviks can't go back to Godhead but instead go to Kumbhipaka because of their very serious Vaisnava aparadha; 7) The fighting among ritviks is far greater than any other institution. Already there are several ritvik groups fighting each other. In the light of all the above Madhu Pandit wants us to believe he can lead us all to the land of no calamities?
As for a guru falling down, even 5,000 years ago gurus had problems with Maya, according to Sukadeva Goswami. So in the Kali Yuga there will be calamities, even with gurus, it is a difficult age. But just because there are calamities with some gurus MP props himself up as a guru to usher in a new unauthorized system, as demonstrated in detail above. But MP's concoction has far more calamities and worst of all is infested with Vaisnava aparadha. And on top of all that MP wants to be the siksha-guru for the entire GBC and all of ISKCON. He's out of his mind.
> The real issue is one of offense of tampering with the
> 'spiritual substance' of relationship between Your Divine Grace and newly
> initiated, and not merely the issue of external form or terminology like,
> ritvik or ritvik guru or monitor guru etc.
Srila Prabhupada said, disciple of my disciple. I refer MP to the quote I posted above.
> If we undertake to repair the
> short circuit of 'spiritual substance' in the initiation process within
> ISKCON (in the heart of the initiator and the initiated) then the
> terminologies is of a lesser issue falling in the domain of this vyvaharic
> world and will no longer be a dispute of substance. If the real 'spiritual
> substance' of initiation is in place these secondary issues automatically
> vanish from the forefront.
And, after all his wild concoctions and theft, Madhu Pandit would like us to believe that he is qualified to tell us that the 'spiritual substance' in the initiation process within ISKCON is missing. How does he know what goes on in the hearts of all the ISKCON gurus and their disciples in ISCKCON?
In the many, many disciples of ISKCON gurus that I have met I have seen very genuine 'spiritual substance', the same 'spiritual substance' that Srila Prabhupada disciples have for Srila Prabhupada. And the ones I meet are very much conscious that Srila Prabhupada is their predominant siksha guru.
I'll believe what I see, not what MP 'would like' me to see.
When I see totally dedicated disciples of ISKCON gurus I become more enlivened to serve my guru, Srila Prabhupada. MP's viewpoint has no philosophical basis and arises out of envy which he tries to disguise under the name of HELPING and SAVING ISKCON. Yet he can't even save himself from very serious Vaisnava aparadha and from consequently going to Kumbhipaka Hell and from trying to take as many unfortunate people as possible with him.
> The blunder they committed was in deviating
> from what Your Divine Grace asked these eleven to do.
The big blunder MP makes is that he can't stop himself from trying to twist the sastras and Srila Prabhupada's instructions to suit his unlawful power and money grabbing agenda.
> It is important to
> note that these eleven personalities were all well accomplished preachers
> then, but carried away by the gross to subtle glamour of being worshipped,
> being barely 5 to 10 years in the movement. The result was, we can say
> now, today, confidently, that all of these worship turned into poison,
> which when consumed killed them spiritually one after the other. The
> initiation per se was not dangerous as the worship and ownership of
> disciples.
>
> Even during the physical presence of Your Divine Grace, you had asked many
> of your disciples to initiate on your behalf, but that did not harm them
> and as they never took worship unto themselves. You wrote to Revatinandana
> dasa as early as 1974:
>
> "KIRTANANANDA WILL CHANT ON THE BEADS FOR NEW DEVOTEES IN AMERICA, CANADA,
> LIKE THAT, YOU CAN CHANT ON THE BEADS FOR THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT NEW
> DISCIPLES. THEY SHALL, OF COURSE, STILL BE CONSIDERED AS MY DISCIPLES, NOT
> THAT THEY SHALL BECOME YOUR DISCIPLES, BUT YOU WILL BE EMPOWERED BY ME TO
> CHANT THEIR BEADS AND THAT IS THE SAME EFFECT OF BINDING MASTER AND
> DISCIPLE AS IF I WERE PERSONALLY CHANTING."
>
> Then why did it become dangerous for them, doing the same after 1978.
> Because of wrongly receiving worship as good as God and false ownership of
> disciples.
> Only the picture of a personality who is truly worthy of as good as God
> can be placed on the altar as only such personality's oneness and
> difference with the Supreme Absolute Truth exists perfectly in their
> constitutional state. It is only such persons who can claim that they are
> non-different from their picture or the Deity. In CC Madhya 10.136 you
> wrote:
>
> "THE CONCLUSION IS THAT AN EMPOWERED SPIRITUAL MASTER IS AUTHORIZED BY
> KRISHNA AND HIS OWN GURU AND SHOULD THEREFORE BE CONSIDERED AS GOOD AS THE
> SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD HIMSELF."
>
> You have explained the exalted position of a bona fide spiritual master
> who can sit as a link in the disciplic succession.
>
> In CC Madhya 24.258 purport:
>
> "THIS IS THE PROCESS OF INITIATION. THE DISCIPLE MUST SURRENDER TO THE
> SPIRITUAL MASTER, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF KRSNA. THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, BEING
> IN THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION STEMMING FROM NARADA MUNI, IS IN THE SAME
> CATEGORY WITH NARADA MUNI. A PERSON CAN BE RELIEVED FROM HIS SINFUL
> ACTIVITY IF HE SURRENDERS TO THE LOTUS FEET OF A PERSON WHO ACTUALLY
> REPRESENTS NARADA MUNI."
According to MP no ISKCON gurus follow the above. This simply is not factual. MP's arrogance beggars belief, that he is right and all of ISKCON is wrong.
> In CC Madhya 25.9 purport:
>
> "SUCH AN ACARYA, OR SPIRITUAL MASTER, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED NONDIFFERENT
> FROM KRISHNA-THAT IS, HE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE INCARNATION OF LORD
> KRISHNA'S POTENCY. SUCH A PERSONALITY IS KRISHNALINGITA-VIGRAHA-THAT IS,
> HE IS ALWAYS EMBRACED BY THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, KRISHNA. "
>
> Without knowing the depth of the philosophy of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu,
> ISKCON GBC erred in introducing the practice of placing the pictures of
> conditioned souls on the altar of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and
> thus indulged in idol worship which the Vaishnava philosophy condemns.
Wow!!! MP now accuses the GBC of introducing IDOL WORSHIP because ISKCON gurus' pictures are on the altar in the disciplic succession. This is the tradition, not idol worship. Now MP is just being really silly and pathetic.
I bet MP would change his opinion if his picture was on the altar as the 'saviour of ISKCON from all its deviant gurus'.
> It
> is hard to believe that the GBC is still not sure of this practice and has
> not banned the same. It is nothing but mockery that the GBC has given a
> direction that when one does puja, the pujari can take his guru's picture
> and place on the altar. After the puja he should remove it. The basis of
> this solution is only confusion. If the GBC's decision is based on
> spiritual substance then the answer should be `yes or no'. They can go on
> altar or not.
MP's idea of spiritual substance is sentimental, not according to any sastra, and therefore we reject his sentiments as not having any real sastric substance.
> If only the GBC abolishes all kinds of worship and its associated
> practices in ISKCON of any person other than Your Divine Grace it would
> stand reformed for good to a large extent.
Here MP wants to abolish the disciplic succession that Krishna reveals in the Bhagavad-Gita. But that would mean abolishing the following instruction of Srila Prabhupada's to get his concoction into ISKCON:
"But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy." SP letter 2nd Dec 1975
> Now Your Divine Grace plants
> the seed of faith in Krishna through your transcendental words and lead
> thousands of souls into ISKCON and he is first taught to chant your pranam
> mantra for six months. This has been institutionalized in recent years by
> stating that Srila Prabhupada is the Siksha guru of everyone. But when he
> gets initiated by one of the self-made gurus, he is advised to shift your
> pranam mantra behind to the second place and position his guru's mantra
> first. The subtle message is sent to the soul that His Divine Grace is not
> your guru. We are taught from your books that Krishna brings one to the
> guru and the guru takes him to Krishna.
Another variation of MP's concoction is that one can JUMP over one's present guru. If we fully apply MP's concocted variation then anyone can jump over to whoever they wanted right up the disciplic succession line to Krishna himself!!
> In ISKCON today, they have a new
> siddhanta. Your Divine Grace will bring one to Krishna through your books
> and a self-made guru will rubber stamp him/her as his disciple by the
> ritual of initiation. Then the system misleads him to worship the
> self-made guru as good as God as is required by the philosophy of Krishna
> Consciousness. (A little reformed today to do it privately and publicly
> once a year on Vyasa Puja day -but the principle survives) The self-made
> guru will drink the poison of worship to more or lesser degree and
> gradually spiritually die. When such death is externally manifest by a
> visible fall down then ISKCON advises the disciples to take shelter of
> Your Divine Grace as an interim arrangement and are also simultaneously
> advised to find some new guru. After finding one, he goes through the
> ritual of initiation again. After which again he has to push Your Divine
> Grace to the second place.
The worship may be poison for a conditioned soul like Madhu Pandit but many ISKCON's gurus are proving to be aloof to such poison by dint of their fixed service to Srila Prabhupada.
> We are pained at the embarrassment that these practices have caused to
> Your Divine Grace in your own institution. Once anyone realizes these
> abuses, how can he live in an environment so offensive to Your Divine
> Grace. It is total insensitivity on the part of the GBC, majority of whom
> are all self- made gurus, to have led the institution to this miserable
> state. The insensitivity has arisen because conditioned unconscious
> thinking that Guru is dead once he leaves his body like anyone else. In a
> room conversation on August 16, 1976 you said,
>
> "SO BETTER REMAIN A FOOLISH PERSON PERPETUALLY TO BE DIRECTED BY GURU
> MAHARAJA. THAT IS PERFECTION. AND AS SOON AS HE LEARNS THE GURU MAHARAJA
> IS DEAD, "NOW I AM SO ADVANCED THAT I CAN KILL MY GURU AND I BECOME GURU."
> THEN HE'S FINISHED."
Again MP tries to use the above quote to prove all ISKCON gurus are bogus. But the quote does not apply to someone strictly following Srila Prabhupada's instructions to preach and act as guru after his departure as per the above references.
> You had further warned while referring to Gaudiya Mutt in a letter to
> Rupanuga on 28th April 1974:
>
> "THE RESULT IS NOW EVERYONE IS CLAIMING TO BE ACARYA EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY
> BE KANISTHA ADHIKARI WITH NO ABILITY TO PREACH. IN SOME OF THE CAMPS THE
> ACARYA IS BEING CHANGED THREE TIMES A YEAR. THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT
> THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP."
>
> We shudder to see that your worst fears have come true and unfortunately
> the very same thing has happened in ISKCON Camp.
The context of the above quote is misunderstood or overlooked by Madhu Pandit. The above quote refers to having ONE SINGLE ACARYA for an institution. But MP, being desperate for any concrete evidence, tries to use the above quote irrelevantly to again prove all ISKCON gurus are not authorised.
> Srila Prabhupada, I have had to state all these offenses in ISKCON in
> order that myself and thousands of others can deeply appreciate with
> eternal gratitude our good fortune to have been freed from such an
> offensive environment by your mercy.
MP states 'thousands of others' might appreciate his viewpoint. But my challenge to him is let's have a proper debate and conclude with reference to guru, sadhu, and sastra and then let's see how many thousands support his concoction having viewed a proper debate. If he declines after boldly stating all the above then we all can only conclude he is all huff and puff with no real sastric substance. If he comes to the debate table he'll be lucky to get even 100 or 200 votes, and we'll be watching again to see if he tries to fake the votes again. For the ISKCON initiating regular guru system the votes will be in the region of 20,000 for sure.
The ritviks are a very small fringe offshoot minority from ISKCON who have nothing better to do than try to encroach ISKCON devotees and blaspheme ISKCON's leading sincere preachers.
> You have given us several temples
> today where these kind of offenses do not have to be seen and tolerated.
He has several ritvik temples, but word has it they are squabbling like mad, can't make new devotees, and they can only scrounge from ISKCON's scraps.
> I
> was in ignorance, not knowing all these for nearly 20 years till 1998,
> believing fully that you ordered them to be gurus as claimed by them.
In ignorance? He was obedient. Now he is disobedient, thats all.
> So
> it is important to remember and broadcast repeatedly these relevant
> statements of Your Divine Grace for those who do not know.
If MP wants to broadcast his statement then he should do so in a debate which would attract in the region of 15,000 to 20,000 devotees. Again, I am challenging MP to a public debate, then let the worldwide devotees decide with their votes who is following guru, sadhu, and sastra. MP will be lucky if he gets 1 or 2 hundred votes, and those would be his worthless cronies seeking to grab or be a part of his stolen money.
> Probably Your
> Divine Grace are choosing ISKCON Bangalore to broadcast it as we were in
> that Muddled-ISKCON and are now able to compare the relief of being in the
> real ISKCON.
MP took ISKCON to court, bribed the judges with his vast resources, and has in fact stolen the ISKCON Bangalore temple from ISKCON and has defied the GBC. All of the above is directly against Srila Prabhupada's instructions.
> We are blessed today in ISKCON Bangalore and its associated
> temples where we can live in the association of devotees who are all
> focused on worshipping Your Divine Grace as their personal spiritual
> master as it was in ISKCON before 1978 GBC meeting. No more hodge-podge.
I would say MP is cursed in that he is blaspheming self-less sadhus who are preaching on behalf of Srila Prabhupada as per Prabhupada's instructions.
> I pray at your lotus feet that you empower us to establish more and more
> such temples in this world as was your vision.
I pray that Krishna takes it all away from him, just as He eventually took everything away from Duryodhana after he stole it all from the Pandavas.
> Letter to: Kirtanananda, San Francisco, 11 February, 1967:
>
> "I WISH THAT EACH AND EVERY BRANCH SHALL KEEP THEIR INDEPENDENT IDENTITY
> AND COOPERATE KEEPING THE ACARYA IN THE CENTRE. ON THIS PRINCIPLE WE CAN
> OPEN ANY NUMBER OF BRANCHES ALL OVER THE WORLD. THE RAMAKRISHNA MISSION
> WORKS ON THIS PRINCIPLE AND THUS AS ORGANIZATION THEY HAVE DONE
> WONDERFULLY."
With the above quote MP tries to justify his stealing the ISKCON Bangalore property and putting in his name.
Srila Prabhupada said:
"The GBC authority must be accepted under all circumstances, not that there will be fighting amongst you. This fighting spirit will destroy everything, but what can I do, you American and European boys are trained up in this fighting attitude. Now put it aside and simply work cooperatively for spreading this movement all over the world." SP letter to Bali Mardan 1972
MP is guilty of disobeying Srila Prabhupada's implicit instructions not to fight and that all must accept the GBC authority. MP is consequently guilty of igniting a fighting spirit at the risk of destroying everything and yet he claims to be saving ISKCON!!
Madhu Pandit only has a few unfortunate people following him but he is making a loud noise ONLY because he temporarily has a lot of money.
Philosophically he is completely wrong and is too scared to contest his views in a public debate. His real agenda is to steal more from Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON and put it all in his name. That's his clear not-so-hidden objective and the proof is that he has already done it on a very big scale and is now greedy for more stealing from Srila Prabhupada.
> Even if someone in ISKCON attains the status of being worshipable as good
> as God, either now, or in the future, the principle of transcendental
> etiquette will operate and such personalities should rightly refuse such
> worship within the institution of ISKCON as it would create a situation of
> rasa-abhasa in Guru-disciple relationship with Your Divine Grace as the
> center in ISKCON.
This is just more of the same MP gibberish since it contradicts the irrefutable evidence I have posted above.
> Apart from the fact that there is nothing on record to
> show that such situations were envisaged by Srila Prabhupada.
MP sees only what he wants to see. He is not seeing through the eyes of guru, sadhu, and sastra but through his ambition to steal more of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON property and assets.
> Srila Prabhupada, we want to open ISKCON Bangalore and its temples to all
> the early disciples of Your Divine Grace, who wish to serve your mission
> in an atmosphere of worshipping one acharya, Your Divine Grace, similar to
> pre- 1978 situation, and all those who believe that Your Divine Grace did
> not authorize any person/s for spiritual succession in ISKCON.
Here MP emphatically declares that ISKCON Bangalore is only for ritviks or those who want the disciplic succession to stop with Srila Prabhupada. His claim here is tantamount to admitting, 'I have stolen this Bangalore Temple from Srila Prabhupada and I reject any GBC authority and so it is only for ritviks'. But the truth is already there are certain ritviks that he bans from the temple because the ritviks are already fighting like hell in house. And yet MP wants to save ISKCON?
> When a
> reporter asked you about succession on July 16th 1975 in San Francisco,
> this is what you replied:
>
> REPORTER (2): WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE MOVEMENT IN THE UNITED STATES WHEN
> YOU DIE?
>
> PRABHUPADA: I WILL NEVER DIE.
>
> DEVOTEES: JAYA! HARI BOL! (LAUGHTER)
>
> PRABHUPADA: I SHALL LIVE FOREVER IN MY BOOKS, AND YOU WILL UTILZE
In Srila Prabhupada's books he tells his disciples and followers to continue the disciplic succession after his departure, as quoted above, by taking on disciples in the same way he did as regular diksha gurus. MP is trying to twist Srila Prabhupada's word to suit his money, power, and property grabbing agenda.
> Srila Prabhupada, after we have refused to subordinate ourselves to the
> Guru-GBC body since 1998, we have not conducted any diksha ceremony till
> date. More than 300 devotees have taken oath of chanting 16 rounds and
> four regulative principles, taken a Vaishnava name before Your Divine
> Grace, the fire and Deities and Vaishnavas and are happily situated in
> their devotional service.
MP is bragging here that he has around 300 ritvik converts and has convinced them that all the ISKCON gurus are bogus. MP's big disservice to those poor souls, if they are still with him, is that he has initiated them into Vaisnava-aparadha. His 300 ritviks are most probably his employees who he pays a salary and so of course they will convert to ritvik for money.
The first lesson MP teaches those who adopt his end-of-disciplic-succession transgression is to blaspheme saintly devotees who have dedicated their lives for spreading Krishna consciousness. That's a terribly bad omeni.
> No wrangling about the word Ritvik or Ritvik
> guru, monitor guru etc.
Right, no need to wrangle, but it adds up to ritvik as I have described above.
> This simply shows that what is important is
> the 'spiritual substance' of diksha, which is the relationship of the
> disciple in his heart with Your Divine Grace.
MP here uses the 'spiritual substance' sentiment to justify jumping over the current link, but to the contrary Srila Prabhupada states in Srimad-Bhagavatam:
"....one should approach the current link, or spiritual master, in the chain of disciplic succession." (SB 2.9.7 purport)
Srila Prabhupada is always CURRENT in his books, his vani. But it does not take too much brain power to figure out that Srila Prabhupada is now NOT CURRENT is his VAPU, or physical presence.
If we apply MP's new idea of disciplic succession then any guru up the disciplic chain can be a current link, and then it becomes even more totally bazaar.
> They do not feel anything
> lacking.
They will all be lacking any real punya for sure. He is what the sastra says about those who blaspeheme sincere preachers:
"One who hears blasphemy of Lord Vishnu is sent to the hell known as Kumbhipaka, and with my sinful ears I heard so much blasphemy of the Lord."
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"It is stated in the scriptures that an atheist who hears blasphemy of the Supreme Lord but does not protest attains the most painful hell known as Kumbhipaka after death." (Chaitanya Bhagavata 16.168)
In essence MP initiates his ritviks, or those who wish to jump over the current links to Srila Prabhupada, into Vaisnava aparadha and for that MP and all those influenced by him have already reserved places for themselves in Kumbhipaka as per the sastras.
MP and his blind followers can chant repeatedly but all their chanting will not have any benefit because it is being trounced by their daily Vaisnava aparadhas for which they'll have to suffer. And what to speak of stealing Prabhupada's ISKCON properties and money. Like Duryodhana, the reaction will come. It's not a question of IF MP and his ritvik followers will get a reaction for their Vaisnava aparadhas it is just a question of WHEN.
> For decades Maya has diverted the 'reformers' of ISKCON from the
> real issue of position of Your Divine Grace to going on trying to resolve
> the position of the Officiator of initiation.
>
> The essential spiritual substance of diksha and secondary nature of the
> formality of intitation is revealed in your teachings. Diksha is a process
> and not merely a one time event or ceremony of fire sacrifice though it is
> also included. The relationship with the transcendental initiator starts
> when he hears from him first and grows in reciprocation to surrender and
> service and transcendental knowledge is fired into the heart by the mercy
> of such an Acarya step by step to eventually free him from the material
> modes and reveal the Supreme Personality of Godhead in his heart and take
> him back to Godhead. This whole process is diksha.
> In a lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam in Los Angeles on December 29, 1973 your
> Divine Grace taught that initiation means receiving transcendental
> knowledge:
>
> "DIKSHA MEANS INITIATION. DI MEANS DIVYA JNANAM, AND KSA MEANS KSAPAYATI.
> FROM THE DAY OF INITIATION, YOU SIMPLY GET SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE,
> TRANSCENDENTAL KNOWLEDGE."
>
> In CC Madhya 4.111, you write:
>
> "DIKSHA ACTUALLY MEANS INITIATING A DISCIPLE WITH TRANSCENDENTAL KNOWLEDGE
> BY WHICH HE BECOMES FREED FROM ALL MATERIAL CONTAMINATION."
>
> In CC Madhya 9.61 you write:
>
> "INITIATION MEANS RECEIVING THE PURE KNOWLEDGE OF SPIRITUAL
> CONSCIOUSNESS."
>
> In a letter to Dinesh 0n 31.10.69 you wrote:
>
> "REGARDING THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION COMING FROM ARJUNA, DISCIPLIC
> SUCCESSION DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN THAT ONE HAS TO BE INITIATED OFFICIALLY.
> DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION MEANS TO ACCEPT THE DISCIPLIC CONCLUSION."
> Who is the person in ISKCON who was doing this function pre 1978 and post
> 1978? Can there be any doubt that it is Your Divine Grace, doing this
> through your books, then and now. Srila Prabhupada, you are
> the 'TRANSCENDENTAL INITIATOR' of everyone. Srila Prabhupada, you have
> revealed the essence or substance of diksha in the following quotes.
>
> 1. "THE ETERNAL BOND BETWEEN DISCIPLE AND SPIRITUAL MASTER BEGINS FROM THE
> FIRST DAY HE HEARS." (Letter to: Jadurani - New Vrindaban 4 September,
> 1972)
>
> 2. SRILA PRABHUPADA: "IF YOU ARE SERIOUS, THAT IS REAL INITIATION. IF YOU
> HAVE UNDERSTOOD THIS KRISHNA PHILOSOPHY AND IF YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT YOU
> WILL TAKE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS SERIOUSLY AND PREACH THE PHILOSOPHY TO
> OTHERS, THAT IS YOUR INITIATION. MY TOUCH IS SIMPLY A FORMALITY. IT IS
> YOUR DETERMINATION. THAT IS INITIATION." (Srila Prabhupada goes here even
> into deeper essence of diksha)
>
> 3. "DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN THAT ONE HAS TO BE INITIATED
> OFFICIALLY. DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION MEANS TO ACCEPT THE DISCIPLIC
> CONCLUSION." (Letter dated 31 October, 1969)
>
> 4. INTERVIEWER: "WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE OF THE MOVEMENT? DO YOU INITIATE
> YOURSELF ALL THE DISCIPLES OR DO YOUR OTHER DISCIPLES ALSO DO THAT?"
>
> PRABHUPADA: "WELL, INITIATION OR NO INITIATION, FIRST THING IS KNOWLEDGE.
> [BREAK] ...KNOWLEDGE. INITIATION IS FORMALITY. JUST LIKE YOU GO TO A
> SCHOOL FOR KNOWLEDGE, AND ADMISSION IS FORMALITY. THAT IS NOT VERY
> IMPORTANT THING." (Press Interview, October 16, 1976, Chandigarh)
>
> GBC has managed to create hatred for the word ritvik and associate it with
> offense. As long as one does not contradict the 'spiritual substance' of
> diksha - giver of transcendental knowledge by Your Divine Grace in ISKCON
> and receiving the same by the disciple, varieties of forms of formal
> initiation can co-exist . It is possible for all of us to co-exist with
> differences in secondary forms as long as it does not destroy
> the 'spiritual substance'. Those who want to take the last written
> instructions on the subject of initiation as a matter of following Your
> Divine Grace in substance and form, may then also be permitted and
> accepted within ISKCON. If the essence is accepted let not the dispute on
> terminology be the cause for two ISKCON camps on the planet.
>
> Everything will change in ISKCON if we proactively institutionalize
> worship of only Your Divine Grace, not merely in form, but encourage in
> spirit, to all the new comers. And explicitly desist any other person's
> worship as good as God if we want to keep ISKCON the way Your Divine Grace
> founded and desired to keep it for 10,000 years.
>
> Srila Prabhupada, we pray for the day when, we can mix freely with each
> other as one ISKCON but only when you are the only Spiritual Master of
> everyone in your house and all these anomalies and offenses that have
> erupted post 1978 are cleared. Irrespective of what terminology we use for
> the physical initiator of new devotees in ISKCON the essence of dikhsa
> should prevail as taught by Your Divine Grace. ISKCON GBC and initiators
> should do everything to remove the short circuit in the relationship of
> everyone in ISKCON with Your Divine Grace without attempting to categorize
> you as param guru by unauthorizedly trying to retire you as the current
> link in the parampara and create a vacancy of guru that does not exist in
> reality and such vacancy remains an illusion always as long as your books
> are preserved in its original form. You will continue to reign day after
> day, and everyone is realizing these fundamental deviations. Thanks to the
> age of Internet. Time reveals the truth to all the genuine and innocent
> followers of Your Divine Grace that ISKCON has turned into as many
> personality cults as there are self-made gurus under the garb of a bogus
> philosophy that you are not living anymore and only those in flesh and
> blood are living.
>
> What an irony, the very foundation of spiritual life is that we are never
> dying spirits and opposite is the basis in ISKCON today for continuing the
> bogus system of so called 'living gurus'. You are always living in your
> sound. Are the self-made gurus the only Vaishnavas who are living in flesh
> and blood and are not all the Temple Presidents and Sanyasis and senior
> devotees living in flesh and blood to fill in the need for Vaishnava
> guidance and association as it was pre-1978?
>
> Then their last conscious defense and unconscious excuse to go on with the
> self-made guru system is 'tradition' argument. Hence they have to have
> gurus in flesh and blood even if they are not fully qualified. Srila
> Prabhupada, you have even covered this argument in your books. In a
> conversation in 1975 you said:
>
> PRABHUPADA: "THAT TRADITION IS NOTHING. TRADITION IS JUST TEMPORARY. YOU
> MAKE YOUR TRADITION; HE MAKES YOUR TRADITION?"
>
> PRABHUPADA: "YES. THAT IS CALLED TRADITION. BUT THAT IS NOT PARAMPARA.
> PARAMPARA IS DIFFERENT. PARAMPARA MEANS WE GET THE RIGHT KNOWLEDGE FROM
> THE SUPREME... SO THIS KNOWLEDGE IS NOT COMING TO ME FROM TRADITION, BUT I
> LEARNT IT FROM GREAT AUTHORITIES LIKE KRISHNA."
>
> In CC Adi 7.37 purport Your Divine Grace hit the nail on essential
> function of an Acharya:
>
> "EVERY ACARYA HAS A SPECIFIC MEANS OF PROPOGATING HIS MOVEMENT WITH THE
> AIM OF BRINGING MEN TO KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS. THEREFORE, THE METHOD OF ONE
> ACARYA MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF ANOTHER, BUT THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS
> NEVER NEGLECTED."
>
> In CC ADI 7.31 purport:
>
> "AN ACARYA WHO COMES FOR SERVICE OF THE LORD CANNOT BE EXPECTED TO CONFORM
> TO A STEREOTYPE, FOR HE MUST FIND WAYS AND MEANS BY WHICH KRISHNA
> CONSCIOUSNESS MAY BE SPREAD."
>
> In SB 4.8.54 your write:
>
> "SRIMAD VIRAGHAVA ACARYA, A ACARYA IN THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF RAMANUJA
> SAMPRADAYA, HAS REMARKED IN HIS COMMENTARY THAT CANDALAS, OR CONDITIONED
> SOULS WHO ARE BORN IN LOWER THAN SUDRA FAMILIES CAN ALSO BE INITIATED
> ACCORDING TO CIRCUMSTANCES. THE FORMALITIES MAY BE SLIGHTLY CHANGED HERE
> AND THERE TO MAKE THEM VIASHNAVAS."
>
> ISKCON guru system is nothing but a new caste system, totally material,
> introduced in 1978, to carve out special material position within the
> community propelled by deep subconscious desire for worship, position and
> profit and probably conscious desires too. History bares it all. Material
> caste systems are very difficult to eradicate as it gets socially and
> emotionally entwined into a complicated web. In this age of communication,
> this business will not thrive anymore like it did for last three decades.
> Internet facilitates any intelligent person to see the mind games played
> by the unconscious mind of these self-made gurus coming between Your
> Divine Grace and your sincere followers. The entire range of mind games
> stands exposed from very subtle ones in the name of humble gurus to the
> few who are still flying high in the mind though grounded badly by
> reactions for the offenses unto Your Divine Grace of stealing the
> 'spiritual substance' from your innocent followers.
>
> ISKCON has survived as an organization so far due to phenomenon of keeping
> the newly joined in ignorance by scaring them of Vaishnava offenses. But
> now the new devotees who join ISKCON as soon as they advance spiritually a
> bit by following the spiritual discipline given by Your Divine Grace
> quickly wake up to the Truth due to the exposure to hard facts. Thanks to
> the age of information explosion. As the few wake up to the Truth and keep
> leaving ISKCON, the gurus are not getting new crops as before from the
> wide world. So the temple outside India are all empty having more
> 'leaders' than followers.
>
> We only pray to Your Divine Grace to shower some inconceivable mercy on
> all of us so that soon ISKCON is forced to re-establish your position as
> the Acharya and spiritual master of everyone in ISKCON and start a new
> chapter beginning from where ISKCON stopped in 1978. Then all material and
> spiritual opulence of ISKCON will be back. Better late than never. We are
> enjoying the nectar of real ISKCON for the last decade. Thanks to many of
> your stalwarts disciples who are outside ISKCON and a few inside still,
> who have through their decades of tireless crusade against the self-made
> guru system have created the foundation for ISKCON Bangalore and its
> seventeen temples in India. Their efforts of disseminating truth have
> borne fruit at last. In turn we are pleased to be instruments to give them
> some hope and solace that Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON is not finished. It is
> rising up again after its bad fall and will continue to surge ahead.
>
> Srila Prabhupada, forgive me for any arrogance that may have crept in
> behind my conscious mind, while criticizing these deviant systems in
> ISKCON. The purpose is only to share with everyone the inspiration you are
> giving us every moment in our lives through Transcendental knowledge and
> realizations and also to see your movement expand forever to provide
> eternal shelter of Krishna to thousands of innocent conditioned souls in
> this world. Frankly I do not doubt the conscious good intentions to serve
> Srila Prabhupada's mission of many of the Vaishnavas who have become part
> of the self-made guru system and beg your and their forgiveness for any
> offenses that I may have committed to your servants irrespective of their
> deviant standing, in our humble understanding, in this matter of
> initiation. For all I know, I cannot guarantee that I would not have
> fallen prey to the first slip into Maya in 1978, with only 5-10 years of
> little exposure to Krishna consciousness if I were one of them then. Past
> is over. What is important is future. We beg you to help us learn our
> lessons out of this sad history where many gave their lives to Your Divine
> Grace in this misadventure. The idea is to leverage it in your service and
> the attempt is never to sound 'holier than thou'.
>
> Thank you, Srila Prabhupada, for saving us all from this MUDDLED-ISKCON
> and putting us in REAL-ISKCON. We love ISKCON as if your child. But we
> will continue to fight like gentlemen with our mite against its present
> leadership to remove the muddle as we think it is our duty unto Your
> Divine Grace. Please bless us.
MP states in the above paragraph that he will continue to fight against the MUDDLED-ISKCON like a gentleman with all his mite to remove the muddle.
But he is all talk. If he really means what he says then why does he not accept a challenge to a gentleman's debate? When challenged to a proper and fair debate with mutual rules why does Madhu Pandit decline?
If he declines then we will name and shame him for pedaling a concocted initiation system and for taking Srila Prabhupada to court in the form of his ISKCON and for stealing money, properties, and assets from ISKCON.
> Aspiring to be your eternal servant,
>
> Madhu Pandit dasa
>
> President, ISKCON-Bangalore
In the service of Srila Prabhupada, his ISKCON, and all his genuine preachers, disciples and followers.
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Ajamila Dasa acbsp> (Text PAMHO:20322185) --------------------------------------
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