Origin of the Living Entity

BY: PURUJIT DASA

Jan 23, USA (SUN) — A Response to "We Are All Originally Krishna Conscious Entities".

Bhakta Eric Johanson stated (italics mine):

Quote # 1: "Srila Prabhupada taught repeatedly that the origin of the living entity was in the spiritual world and that, due to the misuse of his free will, he fell into this temporary world of illusion and repeated birth and death."

Response: Srila Prabhupada also taught repeatedly the opposite of that as will be evident from the exerpts provided below (italics mine):

    "Pure devotional service is so spiritually relishable that a devotee becomes automatically uninterested in material enjoyment. That is the sign of perfection in progressive devotional service. A pure devotee continuously remembers the lotus feet of Lord Sri Krsna and does not forget Him even for a moment, not even in exchange for all the opulence of the three worlds." (S.B.1.5.19, purport)

    "Beyond the urdhva-loka planets, that is to say above the Brahmaloka, are the material coverings of the universes, and above that is the spiritual sky, which is unlimited in expansion, containing unlimited self-illuminated Vaikuntha planets inhabited by God Himself along with His associates, who are all eternally liberated living entities."...
    ..."Therefore, the devotees never fall down
    , but the materialists, i.e., the fruitive workers and the speculative philosophers, do fall down, being forced by their respective modes of nature." (S.B. 1.6.31, purport)

    "The nitya-siddha devotees never fall down to the region of the material atmosphere, even though they sometimes come onto the material plane to execute the mission of the Lord. The sadhana-siddha devotees are chosen from the conditioned souls." (S.B.3.3.26, purport)

    "A pure living entity in his original spiritual existence is fully conscious of his constitutional position as an eternal servitor of the Lord. All souls who are situated in such pure consciousness are liberated, and therefore they eternally live in bliss and knowledge in the various Vaikuntha planets in the spiritual sky. When the material creation is manifested, it is not meant for them. The eternally liberated souls are called nitya-muktas, and they have nothing to do with the material creation." (S.B.3.5.29, purport)

    "From Vedic scriptures it is understood that sometimes even Brahma and Indra fall down, but a devotee in the transcendental abode of the Lord never falls." (S.B. 3.15.48, purport)

    "The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode." (S.B. 3.16.26, purport )

    "Ordinarily, there is no possibility that the four sages could be so angry with the doorkeepers, nor could the Supreme Lord neglect His two doorkeepers, nor can one come back from Vaikuntha after once taking birth there." (S.B. 3.16.29, purport)

    "This ordinary living being is of two kinds - nitya-baddha or nitya-mukta. One is eternally conditioned and the other eternally liberated. The eternally liberated living being; are in the Vaikuntha jagat, the spiritual world, and they never fall into the material world." (S.B. 5.11.12, purport)

    "All the residents of Vaikuntha-loka know perfectly well that their master is Narayana, or Krsna, and that they are all His servants. They are all self-realized souls who nitya-mukta, everlastingly liberated. Although they could conceivably declare themselves Narayana or Visnu, they never do so; they always remain Krsna conscious and serve the Lord faithfully. Such is the atmosphere of Vaikuntha-loka. Similarly, one who learns the faithful service of Lord Krsna through the Krsna consciousness movement will always remain in Vaikuntha-loka and have nothing to do with the material world." (S.B.6.1.34-36, purport)

    "In other words, these associates of the Lord, Jaya and Vijaya, descended to the material world to serve the Lord by fulfilling His desire to fight. Otherwise, as Maharaja Yudhisthira says, asraddheya ivabhati: the statement that a servant of the Lord could fall from Vaikuntha seems unbelievable." (S.B.7.1.35, purport)

    "It is not necessary for the Vaikuntha associates of the Supreme Personality of Godhead to come to take the roles of His enemies in all the millenniums in which He appears. The "falldown" of Jaya and Vijaya occurred in a particular millennium; Jaya and Vijaya do not come down in every millennium to act as demons. To think that some associates of the Lord fall down from Vaikuntha in every millennium to become demons is totally incorrect."(Cc. Adi-lila 5.36, purport)

    "The living entities are divided into two categories - the eternally liberated and the eternally conditioned. Those who are ever liberated never come in contact with maya, the external energy. The ever-conditioned souls are always under the clutches of the external energy. This is described by Lord Krsna in the Bhagavad-gita (7.14):
    daivi hy esa guna-mayi
    mama maya duratyaya

    "This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome."

    The nitya-baddhas are always conditioned by the external energy, and the nitya-muktas never come in contact with the external energy." (Cc.Madhya-lila 22.14-15, purport)

    "The expansions of His separated forms are called living entities, and these living entities are classified according to the energies of the Lord. They are divided into two classes - eternally liberated and eternally conditioned. Eternally liberated living entities never come into contact with material nature, and therefore they do not have any experience of material life." (TLC 10, page108)

    "The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode." (S.B. 3.16.26, purport)

Bhakta Erick Johanson also stated (italics mine):

Quote # 2: "The understanding that the conditioned souls all originally fell from the spiritual world was something every beginner in Srila Prabhupada’s movement understood in the first few of days of his hearing about Krishna."

Question # 1: How every beginner in Srila Prabhupada's movement can understand that the conditioned souls all originally fell from the spiritual world on the basis of excerpts given the above?

Question # 2: If the conditioned souls all originally fell from the spiritual world, Vaikuntha and upon returning there will get their second opportunity to associate with Krsna personally and directly, than what would be the most reasonable explanation for the following excerpt?

"The mature devotees, who have completely executed Krsna consciousness, are immediately transferred to the universe where Krsna is appearing. In that universe the devotees get their first opportunity to associate with Krsna personally and directly." (Krsna Book, Ch. 28, Releasing Nanda Maharaja From the Clutches of Varuna, page may vary in different editions)

Editorial note to the reader: Last excerpt matches the original dictation tape of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Founder Acarya of International Society for Krsna Consciousness.



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